Posts by Half banana

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"Isn't it disgusting?", a sister said to me in service today

by Isambard Crater in

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"sorry, what's disgusting?

", i replied.

"that thing we've just called on", the sister said in response.

Half banana

The most intense human love in the Bible is between two men; David and Jonathan. David's example of marriage is a disaster and includes murder. Look at what God commanded Ezekiel to do and go with a prostitute. Concubinage and brother in law/ sister in law unions were acceptable and desirable. Jesus never married and most of the other characters were without wife. Marry your rapist is one of the prize quotes!

What sort of example does the most sacred and Holy Bible provide: what most Christians might call perversion!

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How deep is the rot?

by JeffT in

by now it seems obvious that the gb and other leaders of the wtbs are corrupt.

the pedo scandal and various financial schemes are sustained by either lack of concern or greed at the top.

my question is how far down the food chain does this go?

Half banana

(duplicate post)

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How deep is the rot?

by JeffT in

by now it seems obvious that the gb and other leaders of the wtbs are corrupt.

the pedo scandal and various financial schemes are sustained by either lack of concern or greed at the top.

my question is how far down the food chain does this go?

Half banana

A second glance at this matter JeffT; I think that it would be most telling to know or discover if any of the GB have themselves "woken up". Surely this event is likely in due course!

If one of them realizes they are harming people by their delusional demands and continue in office-- that would be corrupt. It would however take a steely conscience and strength of character to let the other members down in their exclusive club and admit that they have all been in error, because it would likely spell curtains for the whole Watchtower delusion. I say this because some of the others in the GB will not be far behind in his thinking and the resignation of two or more would be a membership disaster because the flock would also start to wake up or be given the confidence to declare their own disbelief.

My guess is that in the spirit of a kind of Watchtower Free Masonry, the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses feel a divinely ordained and privileged duty to fulfil their ritual obligations to carry forward the honour of being at the helm of this business corporation. They do not think like their followers; they are concerned with the prestige which exists within the executive and with their financial clout as a major world class stocks investor. They 'appear' blind to the stupidity of the perpetual delay of Armageddon because the vital key to running a domesday cult is to engineer belief so as to always be able to press the unattainable reward forward into the future.

However to be awake to this travesty and continue as a GB member would be first degree corruption.

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Observations From an Ex-Elder Part 3 - Searching for the Lost Sheep

by doubtfull1799 in

"what man among you with 100 sheep, on losing one of them, will not leave the 99 behind in the wilderness and go after the lost one until he finds it?

" - luke 15:4. disclaimer: by posting the following observations i am not complaining.

i am happy to be left alone.

Half banana

The Watchtower indoctrination is so patronising Blondie, the flock are treated as if they cannot live without the GB's relentless prodding. Why remain a sheep when you can leave the org and become a free, adult, responsible human being!

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Is it possible that someone who gives really gushing comments might still be awake?

by Isambard Crater in

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of the 50% of congregants who regularly participate, many of them give gushing answers about how appreciative they are, how wonderful jw.org is and so on, which makes me think nobody in my congregation is awake.

but maybe it's possible for someone who comes across as super spiritual to be awake?

i can't see how, though, as surely it's emotionally draining to fake it like that?

Half banana

I do know of a fully awake JW who does indeed spout the party line but only to emphasise how stupid it is. Popularity within the club membership is based on how heroic you are in defending the club rules.

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Observations From an Ex-Elder Part 3 - Searching for the Lost Sheep

by doubtfull1799 in

"what man among you with 100 sheep, on losing one of them, will not leave the 99 behind in the wilderness and go after the lost one until he finds it?

" - luke 15:4. disclaimer: by posting the following observations i am not complaining.

i am happy to be left alone.

Half banana

Interesting Doubtful, the JW cult is to do with appearances and conforming to the expectations of being a member of the club. Paradoxically they often take the scriptures in a literal way but don't take the spirit of Christianity to heart. Not that I recommend the need for that because we can do good without being told what to do.

I faded and then stopped attending completely, what an enormous relief! I expected a visit or two but instead around six or seven weeks later an elder who I knew well called by and told me, as if under instruction, that he was only calling to check whether I was leaving because I had become an active and vocal apostate. Of course I denied that, that was to happen later. But the point of his visit was not for my welfare but to stem possible anti JW sentiment and disfellowship me. I was never bothered again.

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Emotionally very ill but can't face consequences of leaving

by Isambard Crater in

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i'm a new member so wanted to say 'hi'.

i live in the u.k, was born in, fell away as an unbaptised publisher, got baptised in my 30s for reasons i'm retrospectively unsure of, and lost my faith about five years ago around the time of the original a.r.c.

now, being unable to leave is making me physically, emotionally and mentally ill.. i'm not strong enough to da and live with the family consequences, and despite having several good friends outside the faith, none of them could support me in an active way as such.

Half banana

Isambard Crater, you are feeling fragile at the moment you have a number of pressures on you. Sorry to hear of your difficult situation. The logical thing is to slow down and avoid those areas of your life causing the stress which is of course the religion.

Tell your friends and family that you are weak, worn out and depressed. There will be sympathy for you on this since many JWs talk this way in the first place! So tell them you need some personal space to recuperate and skip some of the meetings and most of the field service. (I do find it a puzzle how non-believers can preach the WT lie with a good conscience?) If you make your position clear that you need private time it will alert them to the fact that you are sliding and that is good to establish because they will get used to it and ask less of you.Thank the elders for offers of "shepherding" but firmly and politely decline. You can remain a JW as long as you don't verbally express doubt or criticism of the org and its doctrines.

It is a fake organisation which uses theocratic warfare, so don't be afraid to you your own "TW" back on them!

Fading like this gives you time to build up your health and confidence to do what you actually want in the longer term. So don't rush it, just gradually fade and you know we are all gunning for you.

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2 Peter 1 = Deity of Christ.

by towerwatchman in

2 peter 1 = deity of christ.

2 pe.

1:1 simon peter, a bondservant and apostle of jesus christ, .

Half banana

Personally I have not done away with God, there is simply insufficient evidence for this phantom so it never enters any argument of mine. Compassion and fellow feeling need no external force to impose it on to humanity, it comes from within.

Nietzsche was right however in saying that with the cultural death of God we have to determine our own human values and that is what is being done. Look how much better the world is (outside of religious sectarian wars) how we are living longer, eating better food, curing once incurable diseases, enjoying better education and communication........... and all through applying science and reason to the tangible, measurable world.

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How deep is the rot?

by JeffT in

by now it seems obvious that the gb and other leaders of the wtbs are corrupt.

the pedo scandal and various financial schemes are sustained by either lack of concern or greed at the top.

my question is how far down the food chain does this go?

Half banana

I think the whole organism is flawed and rotten, it was rotten in fact to its foundations right from the start. All egos and Dollar bills. As to the level which corruption penetrates I suggest that it is systemic although a majority of followers mean very well.

In the hierarchy there are the big people at the top enjoying the undeserved rewards of their scam with a layer of brain dead wannabes below them. All the rest including the elders are the little people with Watchtower induced lobotomies.

The whole con trick is based on a fictional story dressed up to look miraculous and the GB play on the credulity of the little people who have been lured into it by a ticket to paradise.

I don't think the org can remain an attractive option to outsiders for much longer. I do hope the heartless GB will be publicly outed-- but the true believers by their very nature will hang on to the bitter end whatever happens.

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2 Peter 1 = Deity of Christ.

by towerwatchman in

2 peter 1 = deity of christ.

2 pe.

1:1 simon peter, a bondservant and apostle of jesus christ, .

Half banana

In order for anything to be objective it has to be outside of the box, cannot be part of the equation. So any source of objective moral values has to be transcendent, and the only one that can be transcendent is God.

Towerwatchman are you not able to see the falsity of your statement? Only you are determining that a source of moral values has to be "trancendent". Without discussing the subject of morality in any depth here may I direct you to Nietzsche who comes close in my mind in simplifying the matter by calling morality "custom", Untranscendent, tribal custom, the feelings of the herd.

Come back down to Earth, your empty shoes are still here! You have been taken in by the holy hyperbole and believed the baseless flummery which is virtually the whole of the NT. It is destroying your objectivity .